Irreducible Minimum
January 11, 2007 "Church is a group of people who love God and love each other".
I've been trying to get my hands on that definition for about two years now. Was in a meeting with a group of church planters and strivers last night (rebels and heretics sharing coffee and pie) and someone came up with that statement. It still blows me away.
Love God. Love each other - everything else is culture.









Reader Comments (10)
I like your new look!!!!
BTW the black text on dark grey background is nearly impossible to read :( at least by this aging lady!
That's good. But I would add 4 more words: "or love of self."
And that last one is hard, because many times we couch our love of self by portraying it as love of God or love of others. And yet if we're ever going to get down to brass tacks on anything, we have to constantly distinguish whether something is really love for God and love for others, or whether its just my own selfish desires dressed up in the fine garb of religion.
To me, that's the real question which your summary exposes - how to distinguish between living faith and dead religiousity.
Nice site. Thanks for sharing.
Works for me!
Shane - Yup, I do! I'm totally aitch tee em ell clueless, so templates are all I can do. You've got some spiffy new digs too ;)
Lorna - I believe it was first said by the lady at the end of the couch. It shouldn't be a dark gray background - not sure what that's about...
Christian - Nice to have you with us. Unfortunately, it seems like self-indulgence is pretty much the nature of our culture.
grace - works for me too
John Lunt - Yup - I like 'em both too!
Tragically, the sneaky twister-of-words that lives in my head would nod cynically and say, "Yeah - that's just what I've seen, most times. They love God, and love the other people in their church - the people who are just like them. Not much love for the folks outside the 'in crowd,' or outside the walls..."
By the same token, the optimistic, hopeful voice in my head hears "love each other" as "loving others, not just 'each other.'" Because I know people in otherwise-traditional churches who express love for folks who are "them" or "not-us," and do a good job of it. Heck, there's a bunch of 'em who are side-by-side with you, brother, day in and day out...
The part I love about this definition is that it doesn't measure anything theological or dogmatic, but simply holds up the shortest measuring stick: is there love for God, and love for others? Simple as that.